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It was never intended to be something that hosts copyrighted material. I own a copy of Dark Side of the Moon, and I have made fingerstyle arrangements of nearly all the songs a long term pet project. However, one day I might make an instructional DVD even longer term pet project and if I do I will enter into a mutually agreeable arrangement with the copyright holders.
Ha, if that is even possible. But in the meantime, I will follow your advice there, and persist in being an ever-so-slight-misfit fingerstyle cover player. An artist is someone who either writes their own songs, or is good enough entertainer to sing songs others write for them and for which they pay royalties. The license model is unbalanced. I pay to use a cover for the benefit of publicity, and maybe some indirect sales of tickets etc. So, the real revenue generated by my cover is advertising impressions and hits.
So what do youtube pay? And how many sales of the original do they get from the cover? Adam, Great Post! I honestly think in many cases the record companies are not seeing the bigger picture. While YouTube videos themselves may not generate revenue for them it can still generate other revenue. Here is a perfect example. Now the video was uploaded by a non-authorized source and I believe was eventually removed but I was enamored by her and wanted to see more.
I have also purchased several of her other CDs. All because I saw an unauthorized video on Youtube. Without those videos I probably still would not even know who she is and those sales would have never been made. The record companies really need to start reviewing these on a case by case basis instead of using some type of bot to make decisions for them.
To me there is a big difference between Adam playing Superstition on his guitar vs someone who simply uploads the cd audio with a single album graphic as the video image. Hi Adam, Jeroen here. And then take action? Or is it possible that they delete all in once? When the time is there I think I will defintly follow your advice.
I also thought of changing the title and delete the tags. But the people who favorited it will have it still in the fav. How about flyers, blogs, business cards, a real website, and coffehouse demonstrations? Online video is free, fast and people love seeing and hearing a musician. My vids though have done more for my career in terms of booking and purchases than printed material or live gigs. Crazy world…. How about every time you perform, encourage your audience to make videos, especially of your cover songs, and upload them to YouTube.
Few people have large enough accounts to attract that much attention, and you can still point people to those videos as examples of your performances. Yes, that is a great long term approach. The problem with fan videos is that they are usually mobile phone, jerky and poor sound. Are you still in Bermuda? Emma I am in Denver — today June 5 — June 7. I return to NYC late on the night of the 7th. Shoot me an email with your plans!
One more thing you need to know. If you have multiple accounts on YouTube be certain that every single account has an individual e-mail address. It fell victim because it was tied to the same e-mail address. They even suspended my Gmail account and demanded a cell phone number so I could get a code and be able to read my mail.
I had to ask a friend to take the text and call me on my land line. If I get them back, I will delete all of my YouTube channels except for Wormfarmergeorge, and trash over videos of local Austin Texas bands that had well in excess of two million total video views. It takes hours to figure out how to contact them and then all you get is a form letter response with no human involvement.
I like your music and wish you good luck man. That is just awful. I have read a lot about youtube and am in the process of de-centralizing. I linked one account to a google account and will not fall for that one again.
I think you can get the account back, keep googling on the appeals process. Also, twitter and blog about your experience. For them to squash little guys is so stupid. Yet, they do police porn…so maybe they know that copyrighted material makes their site interesting…. Good luck. You will resurrect your following — like a millionaire who loses it can make the next million.
That sucks youtube took all your videos. I wanted to watch a few videos and I am new to worm farming. Is it possible you can post some of your videos online or can you send some videos to me??? Please let me know. Just get the FLV files and go on an upload rampage…viddler, sevenload and other sites. Use youtube for pointers and ads. I am surprised and inspired to see demand from fans of deleted accounts.
Have you thought about registering the song with the Gov? Much cheaper than paying a license fee. This is what Lisa is suggesting, sort of. But guess what? YouTube pays them! This happens all the time. Great info! How do people use all those Beatles covers- with new lyrics on youtube get away with it-? If for eg. I make a cover recording- license it through Harry Fox legally to sell the recording on Itunes and then make a parody video of some recent news footage- with the tune as bg music with a link to buy the song on itunes- could this work?
Use us as free commercial makers.. A person can be sued for anything whenever. You have to think about the damages versus the cost of litigation. Purchasing a license from one of those companies would be much cheaper and much easier to manage and it will allow for you to play covers on YouTube. Those are the agencies that collect copyright fees from bars where musicians play Live covers in. The fee is based off occupancy and the number of nights of music.
My name is Will Austin, attorney, guitarist, anarchist. Will thank you for the thoughtful and extensive comment. I need to update this post. Contact me anytime! Hi Adam- Thanks for the interesting post. The song is not in the harryfox. I will be posting the finished videosong to YouTube and it will have a single public performance during the masters class recital on a university campus. Should I be concerned about copyright in this case?
Does educational use cover this type of thing? Does the public performance cause any problem, even if it is on a university campus for a class? The author dealt with several interesting things here. Yep, i got busted last summer. My account got suspended, never could talk to anybody at YouTube…end of story. Had couple of millions of views, tons of subscribers, tons of clips uploaded….
Would you mind, for all our sake — telling us what songs you uploaded so that we may avoid them? Excellent, excellent article. Nice job detailing some survival strategies. One popular YouTube musician I follow has been able to release a couple of independent CDs because he gained a large following from making cover videos.
YouTube was started by, and is now run by, assholes who benefited hugely on the order of billions of dollars from people uploading infringing content, then successfully deflected responsibility, and now punish the very people who made them successful. The musician I mentioned has 82,, views of his videos and over , subscribers. But your attitude is perfect—this is a valuable tool, use it, be aware of the possible consequences and plan accordingly. I am starting to see marketers do something new with videos, and I am intrigued.
Sort of on, but off topic. As people comment, comments get posted on not only the vid page, but the facebook wall of the commenter — thereby making a new way that things can go viral. The video hangs out on a web page, and the comments are embedded AND reported back to users facebook walls — separating the hosting of the potentially infringing material and the community aspect.
I seriously doubt that they are out squashing insects when they have bigger fish to fry. New game now. Where do we stand now? Muy interesante — but stressful, since my income is directly related to my youtube channel! However, I obviously do not get many hits or subscribers as nobody knows who I am.
I would like to start posting cover songs in an attempt to get more people to find my channel. I would like to see YouTube negotiate an option to license cover songs with the copyright holders on behalf of those of us posting cover songs on YouTube. For example, we upload a cover song to YouTube. Then, YouTube in turn charges us the license fee for the right to keep that cover song on our channel. YouTube already offers other services for a fee, such as the promotion feature which is based on the number of hits our promoted videos get during the promotion period.
YouTube could track the number of hits our cover video gets and charge a per hit fee. We have the option to take down the video at anytime once we decide we no longer want to pay for the right to broadcast our cover video. Yes, that would be smart. And what if a guy would open a new account with every third video he posts on youtube. Doing so, he would have a certain number of accounts with two videos on each and of course would name his accounts XXX1, XXX2, XXX3 for easier referencing by susbscribers that would know they only need to susbscribe once but can visit all accounts.
Of course, the total number of views would never be displayed, as being the sum of the partial accounts, but i think particular hits on a specific video are more important than the total number. By pairing videos instead of putting them all in the same basket makes mutual vulnerability way lesser. Does this make sense or I am off the mark? Thanks for that useful blog anyway. This is very interesting. I think a large part of the problem is that music publishing companies are still stuck in the pre-internet era and so far have not been able to accept the fact that you can no longer control every aspect of marketing.
I work in a marketing department for a large organization and we still have many dinosaurs in our leadership who cannot grasp the power and marketing potential of facebook, youtube, and other social media channels — instead of using these mediums to let the freedom of information flow, they shun them until they see their competitors figure it out.
The reason they shun them is because ROI is so hard to determine, you are basically taking a leap of faith. I believe that Stevie and the publisher ARE getting paid more than you realize. Pop over to ITunes and buy it.
Had it not been on YouTube I never would have purchased it. As another example, consider this chain of events. I saw your Billie Jean cover and loved it, so I did a search to see if any other covers came close. Found a wonderful version by Gareth Pearson.
Did more reading on him and I was hooked — bought his album. Started watching his YouTube videos and he had covers of Tommy Emmanuel. Thanks for the thoughtful post Jeff! No — we do in fact agree. Hi Adam, thanks for all the info. My new band is mostly originals but we use covers to fill out our set. But with the new crackdowns this may become a thing of the past. I live in a rural town in northeast Nebraska. A smaller, neighboring town of less than people has a small bar that hosted a jam night on saturdays.
I feel this is getting ridiculous. Our recording engineer also informed me that SESAC is sending out people to Omaha clubs and bars to seek out infringment. So be warned local musicians! Absolutely, music should NOT be free!!!!! Thankyou for making a point of saying that. I am an artist, and I have lost count of the number of times I have heard some numbnut say that. Just a thought…. Does the pointer videos really work or do you lose viewers?
Does anyone have any information on this? I have to disagree with most of this. You may copyright a recording, however that does not give you the right to not allow anyone else to play it with their own instrument. If you subscribe to this idea then technically you have cut your own throat because every combination of the 12 notes possible in music has already been played and it is therefore impossible for you to play anything that has not already been copyrighted.
You may as well give up and sell off all of your equipment because anything you play is now grounds for a lawsuit. I find this to be most disturbing because ideas are built upon knowledge gained from past ideas. Because what you are really saying is that speech should not be free, ideas should not be free, and we should not be free. All this so that some lawyers can make a few bucks at the expense of someone who just wants to learn how to play music?
Sure if they are using something you recorded yourself that is one thing, but to take away the rights of anyone to play their own instrument, that is going too damn far. Copyrights are intended for products, not ideas and the moment you use them as such you have trashed the very foundation that freedom was built upon.
I just want to play my covers. Warner Bros is a pain in the ass. Yeah, deal with it, songs written by others is intellectual property. I am a musician too but it would be good to see that we all grow up instead of bitching about copyright laws. Actually — the vibe has changed since the writing of this post. What do you mean the vibe has changed? Was it because it was to good. Which cover song? Victume of Love Eagles Not me, my husbend and his band. They were doing the song.
My husbend sang it, and they played it. The vibe is changing because labels are able to monetize. The first cover we did was a straight cover, no intro. The second one we did, we found a track that was re-created, slightly in a higher key and we added our own lyrics, but the arrangement was still the same. The lastest one was the exact track, all we added was a guitar rift and once again did the 1 minute intro and so far for these last two, we have not received the YouTube Content ID warning.
Like anything by Prince or any artist of Warner Brothers because of how notorious they are with YouTube. Very interesting discussion. Replied on your responce higher in this feed. My husbend and his band did the song he sang it they played it. Rhonda — the Eagles are absolutely notorious for taking down covers of their songs.
Only removed the audio. And put a notice under the video. Not even good video, audio was good. Just did it with a camera. Bass players wife put it on youtube for me. That channel just got opened two days ago to put that video on it and it got popped. Prince, Van Morrison, Simon and Garfunkel and the Eagles are very extreme in the removal of audio, and in the past — full channel shut downs. Other copyright holders simply claim their stake so that they can advertise on top of your video and simply leave it put.
This is actually way smarter…. Will now have to look at acknowledgment of these videos. Cheers for an informative discussion. Still, they accepted my argument that it is my arrangement and my performance … I think, LOL. Still working on the images for the video I mentioned earlier. Was put in on the afternoon of one day gone the audio gone the next morning. Print, Video and CDs are 3 different licenses. Great post Adam, thanks!! It garnered over This was or so.
Just after that time I started building my guitar lesson website. I wanted to avoid the kind of trouble you are talking about — so I consulted with a music lawyer as well as a synch licensing board here in Canada. I was frustrated with what I found out — because I knew it would be much easier to teach covers and gain an audience. And I saw other musicians getting popular through the use of covers. But I decided to stand my ground and teach only lessons that I create and therefore own.
Hey Adam, great info! I just started down the Youtube path with my music last month. I put up another cover since then and nothing has happened yet. It would appear that they do have relationships with SOME publishers at least. The fact that nothing has happened on my Tom Waits video makes me nervous though.
I wish Youtube had some kind of list of their relationships so we could cross-reference our choice of covers… stay inside the lines so to speak. I think you can be less nervous — so worry not. They are now overlaying ads. When a content match happens like this, who is matching it?
Is it a manual thing by the artist? I covered an artists song. I have seen this artist perform covers in concert, videos are online, etc. Quite distressing stuff. Wonder if we could talk some more privately because I feel like I am in a similar boat as you, playing and teaching because it makes us happy and still looking for ways to sustain a living in this crazy age.
By the way, your Billie Jean cover is sick and my student Blake McMurray foot guitar kid showed it to me last year. They have over million views and even released a major label album last year Since then they have returned to being an Indie band. Travis p. Awesome guitar playing on your videos! Is there a way to post covers and not label them but send links only to friends? I just want to be able to say, hey, listen to what I learned on guitar!
Pretty amazing, huh? Well, just to follow up, I made my own web site and made it password-protected so that only friends can view it. Nice article. I think I grew up a little bit. I just started posting cover vids and they are all covers. I think I may try the alternate account and pointer ideas. Thanks alot. Good luck to you. Your blog is really cool to me and your subject matter is very relevant. I was browsing around and came across something you might find interesting. I was guilty of 3 of them with my sites.
They pay for plays! Not much, usually 1 or 2 cents per unique play, but they pay…. Wow, superb weblog layout! How lengthy have you ever been running a blog for? The overall look of your site is fantastic, as smartly as the content! Stumbled across this string when searching google for info on youtube copyright issues.
I recently opened a youtube account, as my 11 year old daughter formed a band. Of course at this age they only play covers. We planned to use youtube as a means of allowing friends and family an opportunity to view their music. Are there any other options out there? You may just start seeing ads appear on your videos. The record labels get paid and the artists get to keep their videos up.
Yes, this article will be ancient soon. Copyright holders had been pulling down vids, but with CD sales declining, cover versions with piggy backed ads are proving to be a way that publishers can monetize their tunes.
I would not worry about your daughters covers though. Thanks for the quick and kind responses. I told the girls about it, and they actually got excited that someone cared that much about their music to flag it…. I guess its good to think like a kid….. What prevents you from getting and using a standard mechanical license for your cover performances? The companies work for sound recordings — CDs. Most CD houses wont make your CDs until you show that you have mechanical licenses these days.
Limelight for example: one cent per YouTube stream on a compulsory mechanical license. The fact that you shoot a YouTube video of yourself playing has absolutely nothing to do with it. As I see it there are two issues. Second, someone who has gigs, a career.
Someone who has leveraged the marketing and distribution of a well known song to garner some extra juice. That person may be moving ahead but on the horns of a dilemma. YouTube should be paying part of these fees, just like any nightclub. Hey Adam, any new, news, on licensing video for internet only distribution. Just got a video blocked in the US for a cover song on youtube even with a mechanical license.
Thanks for all the info! This whole copyright thing is BS!!! Fretkillr is the best example. Unless he was being compensated he was NOT doing anything wrong. As a matter of fact he,she or they are getting FREE promotion!! Performance Rights Act Artists are well compensated. Music sales are only a small part. They have endorsements, concerts, etc.. They are really starting to go overboard with this. Every year now we have to hear someone stand on the Grammy stage and preach to us about the poor starving artists.
Give me a break! Was it an original song? You play what you have heard and how can any of you let them take that first joy away from us? That spark that inspired a lifetime of music. Copyright laws were intended to protect original recordings, we all know that. But these lawyers have slowly twisted them into taking away our right to play whatever we want to. More over this also applies to singers and if you think about it is taking away the right to free speech. Think about this — books are also copyrighted.
If we let this continue you know these money hungry lawyers will soon apply this law to the written text and pretty much anything you can say has already been written. Your right to speak out will soon be gone. I say we upload so many cover songs on youtube that we crash their server and keep doing it until they listen to us.
We could ask people to quit buying music until the music industry agrees to let us play and post our cover songs. Because believe it or not we fill a need for live music. So people turn to us to fill the void. Case dismissed. I spoke to PRS today, regarding cover versions and lessons of how to play cover songs and in the UK at least the woman said covers on YouTube are ok as YouTube would have a license to play music on their site which they do.
They pay a PRS license fee, in the same way that a venue owner would buy a license that would mean that cover bands could play at the venue. I require an expert on this space to resolve my problem. May be that is you! Having a look forward to look you. Thanks for the article. How funny. Great subject, some great solutions. Though this is a huge, ludicrous problem, I view this as opportunity.
The sad thing, is that the well know artists seem to have no clue how much free publicity they are getting by people doing their covers. We use cover tunes all the time to teach music to our students. Also, gotta love the way this issue has effected the use of copyright free Apple loops in Garage Band and Logic. When your content matches copyrighted content and is allowed to stay ad royalties are paid by YouTube-Who is making most the money off of watchers. What is not paid is licensing fees because technically you as a video maker have to secure a license from the copyright owner to use it synchronize it with a video.
The original lyrics were written in and the tune in The tune is no longer under the protection of copyright. The Act and amendment establishes that copyright in most works lasts until 70 years after the death of the creator if known, otherwise 70 years after the work was created or published. These are just bully-boy tactics to divert any small income if there was any to be swallowed into the cavernous vaults of multinationals. Or perhaps — I may have just come around to it — perhaps the copyright issue lies with the name?
I will now rename the offending video just in case, thereby hoping to remove the last fragment of rug from under the feet of the bullies. Good luck in your pursuit of Cultural Heritage and Public Domain. America has a lot to answer for in Citizens United. I hope you keep the blog informed of your progress. I agree with the sentiment of the article.
While the practice has become common place may do not realize that this is infringement simply because it is so common place. Others want to tell record labels what to do so they can continue the practice. The next step would be to make the Youtube premium account which allows for the placement of cover songs which is covered by the license Youtube provides.
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She was not the type to accept poverty and illiteracy without protest. I would like to understand how Youtube identifies copyrighted cover tune performances? They actually use software similar to Shazam to identify music by digitally listening to it, I think. Hey Adam, what would you say about matched third party content? Leave it up and see what happens?
Acnowledge it, leave it be, or dispute it?? Acknowledge it, hat way the copyright hold can make money, which is the thing they want! All he best, Adam. I visit your site fairly regulary and never ever had that before! By the way, Thank you so much for starting this threa, amd comtinuing to reply to it.
Thanks, hope you can help me out! Nothing is free. Hi Adam, Thanks for all the great info. My son has been recording covers and posting to You Tube. His main passion is guitar, and he is wanting to put together a live performance that includes these covers using prerecorded parts mixed in with the live guitar. In some, he performs all of the instrumentals and just leaves vocals out. Some songs sound so much better having the vocals and original drum tracks though.
These will be non-paid performances; just looking to get performance experience performing his favorite songs. Thanks, Lauri. Does he give credit to the backing track he bought or stole or found a free link to or does he omit that particular thing to make it look to idiots that he actually did the work, which is still plagiarism. Incredible that you can morally let this continue, picking who you respond too, do to your obvious lack of knowledge of the real truth beyond all this mis-information.
He may be only 21, but he has total respect for the artists that put the song out there to begin with and all that have any part in it. And yes, he PAYS for any backing track he uses although he does at times record all parts himself. He gives credit to any and all that do anything but him, and You Tube always has the link for others to buy the song from the band that released the version he is covering.
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